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Command Performance (2009)
IMDB rating: 7.00
Plot: A Moscow charity concert turns bloody when armed extortionists take the head liner American pop-star Venus and the Russian President with his family hostage. Help is on the way when the drummer of a heavy metal warm-up band, an ex-bad ass biker played by Lundgren, and a young Russian F.S.B. agent team up to fight back. But our two heroes are seriously outnumbered and things aren’t as simple as they appear when old ghosts from the Soviet Union appear to haunt the present in this fast paced action piece.
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Directors: Lundgren Dolph
Actors: Lundgren Dolph,Shopov Hristo,Legeno Dave,Baharov Zahary,von Franckenstein Clement,Geraskov Ivaylo,Vasilev Raicho,Slavov Slavi,Chalke James,Shopov Naum,Action,Drama,Thriller,
Why do you prefer your particular training methods?
YES this is a Koehler vs Positive Reinforcement Only vs Modern Technique "face off"! Koehler trainers I want to know why you think 50 year old training methods are still the best in the world…do you think there have been any improvements on Koehler’s methods at all? Of course, the methods he pioneered still work, but so do Conrad Most’s training and nobody trains by it anymore because it’s out dated. What gives the Koehler method it’s staying power, why are you still using it and to what results?
Positive Reinforcement Only crowd…why do you think a hundred year old training method that rarely (some could argue that it never) produces a dog that complies to command 100% of the time still be used? Be honest, if your dog saw a rabbit bound from the bushes and started after it, and you said "No" would it stop? If the Boogey Man was behind you and you called your dog to you would he come or would he ignore the command and run!?! Would your dog obey a command even to his own peril?
As far as "Modern Technique" trainers I mean those who use treats, and toys like tugs, and balls on ropes as rewards as well as verbal praise BUT who believe that once an adult dog refuses to obey a command that it knows through positive and motivational training, that it should be corrected. Definitions out of the way, did you come from a PRO or a Koehler based training background? What made you decide to switch? Also, have you noticed a marked improvement in results vs the method you switched over from? Have you noticed a marked decline in overall performance?
Legit: (Just in case) Do you compete with your dog in Schutzhund, Obedience, Herding or Agility and if so what titles/championships have you won/earned?
My only qualm with Koehler methods are the lack of food rewards. At times it’s better to give a food reward over a bite. I think his mentality of "I want the dog to work because I told him to, not for a treat" is misplaced. My puppies and young dogs work for treats, and once it’s time for proofing they continue to work or they get the correction they’re asking for. As long as you do sufficient "proofing" during a clearly defined corrections phase, it doesn’t matter if you’ve used a ball on a rope, a tug, or treats during training…the purpose of the corrections phase is to say "Hey, you will obey my commands whether you’re too full for treats or too tired to play tug or you’ll have to deal with me".
I use a mixture of training, collar, I use a martingale training collar, and I use clicker training, dog does what I asl praise T, wrong, correct redirect and try again, I always end on a positive note.
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I worked at PetSmart for almost 3 years, and was working there when I got my first puppy, Zeke, my GSD. I got free obedience classes as an employee. So that right there should tell you what kind of methods I "believed" in. I did the whole clicker training with Zeke. And he did really good. I also give a lot of that to the fact that he is a german shepherd. Very smart and strong drive to please. I would never say he was GREAT. He listened to "uh-uh", but he occasionally got distracted. His recall has always been really good, but occasionally he would get distracted. Sometimes he would get over-excited, and it was hard to get his focus back onto training. This was also about the time I first joined Yahoo. I think greekman can remember many nasty remarks I made about his cruelty and idiotic training methods (I was Anubis_Star back then. Remember me? lol). He was probably one of my least favorite users on here.
I never trained Zeke to heel or walk on a leash, because he always did it naturally! That dog loose-leash walked perfectly from the time he was 7 weeks old. Until he was about 1.5 years old. Then he decided pulling was fun…
Being the clicker happy "trainer" I was, I started the process of training. First I started by stopping every time he pulled and starting back up every time he stopped pulling. Boy, we got REAL far with that one. After a couple weeks, I started walking backwards about 5 feet every time he pulled, and then turning around and going back in the original direction. I think we ended up walking backwards a LOT! Then I moved on to just luring his nose right in front of me with a big chunk of liver, and clicking the hell out of him. We actually walked a few blocks that way, but as far as training went, as soon as I removed that liver, he was off pulling again!!
I found a trainer with 30+ years working with shepherds and malinois. He competes in schutzhund on national levels, and trains for many of the k9 units around town. We slipped that choke chain on, and within 2 days I had Zeke perfectly heeling with very minimal corrections.
My trainer helped change my views a LOT. I now see how stupid that dumb myth is "Don’t correct a dog when it’s doing something bad, it only thinks you’re praising it". These are the same idiots that tell you it takes a year + to properly train a dog to heel. Seriously? My old trainer told me the chain on Zeke was cruel, and that even though I had tried training him to heel for over 3 months with her methods, I just hadn’t given it enough time. No offense, but Zeke is EXTREMELY smart. If her methods didn’t even make a dent in his pulling, then no, they did not work. I am now a firm believer of verbal praise when done correctly, and corrections when done incorrectly. That correction could be as simple as a sharp "uh-uh", or it could be as firm as a few sharp pops on the leash. Whatever it takes to get the correct behavior. Of course, the occasional treat or ball reward. And Zeke’s training has made a 180. Before, he was good. Now, he is great. Definitely no obedience champion, and my father has definitely set some of his training back. But his commands are much sharper. His attention is much more focused.
I prefer my methods because they work for my dogs. But I don’t think I really have any one "method". I believe that in training, start as nice and soft as you can, and go as harsh and hard as you have to. Be willing to accept that dogs are different, and your preferred method isn’t going to work on every dog. I think REAL trainers are willing to change things up if need be. You can’t drag a soft lab around popping the hell out of it’s leash. At the same time, you can’t take a dominant, hard as$ rottie and pat it on the head feeding it treats.
Sorry if this is so long. I had no idea how to put into words my "methods"
Legit: I originally wanted to compete in Agility with Zeke. I’ve always love agility, or even flyball. But he is very lazy and low drived in the physical department, and he could never really excel at it. Just exercising him is a chore. I did do some protection training, though, and would love to do more of that. Hopefully in the spring, when work and school settle down.
Luther, the czech pup, we wanted to do Schutzhund. You know how that one turned out, lol.
For my next dog, I will be getting a working lined GSD, and I will be actively competing in Schutzhund and Obedience.
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